What Grusch Told Rogan
David Grusch told Joe Rogan he had seen footage of non-human bodies at a crash retrieval. Danny Sheehan walks through the interview, flags the claim he thinks needs caution, and says what Congress can still do this year.
On September 30, former intelligence officer David Grusch spent nearly three hours on The Joe Rogan Experience (episode 2560). Grusch testified to the House Oversight Committee in July 2023, and in March 2025 he joined Rep. Eric Burlison’s office as a special advisor on UAP. The most widely reported moment: Grusch said for the first time that he had been shown footage of a crash retrieval in which non-human bodies were visible, and described them as human-looking, strikingly beautiful and pale bluish. The footage and the records behind it have not been released, and AARO’s 2024 historical report says it found no verifiable evidence that the government has recovered extraterrestrial technology.
He went further. Relaying what colleagues told him rather than anything he saw himself, Grusch described reptilian beings more than seven feet tall, including a variety with a gorilla-like build and scaly skin, and said some were encountered alive and were shot and killed. Accounts of why differ. Some coverage reports that Grusch said the beings had killed U.S. personnel. Sheehan says Grusch described a gesture that a U.S. service member read as a threat, not a killing, and he asks listeners to check the interview for themselves.
Sheehan calls Grusch one of the most credible whistleblowers to come forward, and he still draws a line. Grusch told Rogan there are reports of encounters between different non-human species that could explain why some craft come down. Sheehan says that in some 50 years of working on the subject he has never heard anyone suggest it, and he asks listeners to set that claim aside until the reports themselves are available. He also notes that Grusch, who says senior insiders are helping him and expects the administration to pursue fuller disclosure, does not claim firsthand knowledge of White House plans. For NPI, the work is preparation: what disclosure would mean for the economy, for foreign policy and the United Nations, and for how new knowledge enters human institutions.
The episode closes with a listener question about passing the Burlison amendment, the House-passed provision that would create an independent UAP records review board in the 2027 defense bill. Congress returns after the November 3 election, and the final bill will be shaped by the leaders of the intelligence and armed services committees. Sheehan’s list: in the House, Intelligence Committee chair Rick Crawford and ranking member Jim Himes, and Armed Services chair Mike Rogers and ranking member Adam Smith; in the Senate, Armed Services chair Roger Wicker and ranking member Jack Reed, and Intelligence Committee chair Tom Cotton and vice chair Mark Warner. The ask is the same for each: keep the Burlison provision in the final bill.
Sources: Grusch on the footage (IBTimes) · Grusch on reptilian beings (AOL) · Rep. Burlison welcomes Grusch as special advisor · AARO Historical Record Report, Vol. 1
I’d be careful and I recommend that we all be careful about coming to any conclusions that there have been any such military engagements between the extraterrestrial craft of two or more of these species with each other.
What’s discussed
Twenty-seven chapters, timestamped to the episode. Each one opens the video at that moment.
0:00 Episode Teaser
0:55 Intro
2:15 This Week in UFO Disclosure
3:16 Congress Returns November 9
4:15 The Fight for the UAP Disclosure Act
5:15 David Grusch’s Joe Rogan Interview
6:21 Why Do UFOs Keep Crashing?
7:04 A New Claim About Crashes
8:10 Why Sheehan Urges Caution
9:28 Grusch Describes Crash Retrieval Footage
10:08 The Footage, as Grusch Describes It
11:49 Other Reported Beings
12:10 Reptilian and Mantis Beings
14:52 A Living Being Allegedly Recovered
15:28 The Shooting, and What Grusch Said
17:15 Secret Programs and Oversight
23:46 Grusch’s Sources
24:25 Could Full Disclosure Be Coming?
26:25 The War Department’s UFO Releases
27:01 Is Information Being Withheld From the President?
28:21 Could This Be Grusch’s Last Interview?
29:20 Earlier Administrations
30:00 Grusch’s Outlook
30:33 Preparing Humanity for Disclosure
32:07 Q&A: Passing the Burlison Amendment
33:25 Which Members of Congress to Contact
36:15 Closing
Key passages
On the claim of conflict between species
“So when I heard that, I’ve put a tack in that and I would recommend that you put a tack in that as well until such time as we get a better access to any such reports”
On the footage
“Grusch for the very first time has stated that he actually was shown videotape or film of an actual UFO crash retrieval where bodies, nonhuman bodies of the occupants were in the video or the film”
On how the shooting has been reported
“…you need to be careful because some of the reports erroneously report that what it is that Dave Grusch said to Joe was that reptilian being had killed one of the military personnel and that was why they shot him.”
On the White House
“Now, it’s not at all clear that Dave has any firsthand knowledge about this.”
On Grusch
“David Grusch is one of the most credible of all the different whistleblowers who are coming forward to give out this information.”
On NPI’s role
“our job is to help prepare the way for this, to be able to figure out what the repercussions are going to be.”
On timing
“the members of the House and Senate are still out working on the election, but the bottom line is they’re still subject to your communications.”
Related from the Learning Library
Can UFO Disclosure Still Pass Before January? · episode 14, on the lame-duck window and the full call list
Who Decides What UAP Records Get Released? · episode 4, on the Burlison amendment and the review board it would create
How Protected Are UAP Whistleblowers? · episode 3, on what the law covers for people like Grusch
AARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1 · the Pentagon office’s 2024 findings
Tell the Senate to pass the UAPDA · contact your senators about the UAP Disclosure Act
Join Citizens for Disclosure · NPI’s volunteer network, with local and state chapters
